No wonder ChatGPT is constantly spewing, “we’re not here to fuck spiders, mate”.
echoesAV on
Thousands huh? bold of them to claim it being the biggest act of copyright theft…in history even !
Wait till they find out about how the image generators like midjourney got their data sets. Billions upon billions of works were stolen.
randomusername023 on
I’m not sure how this is different from reading a bunch of books and writing based on their influence.
Even if you went on to explicitly try to copy the style of an author, that doesn’t sound like copywrite infringement
JSN74_ on
Richard Flanagan was cited as someone whose work has been pirated by this. So I’m going to use the opportunity to recommend The Narrow Road to the Deep North. An all-time favorite
SolidA34 on
I am tired of people defending AI doing this by saying people reading a books to take inspiration from is the same thing. It is not. For example George Lucas and Star Wars.
He took inspiration from Spaghetti Westerns. Flash Gordon, Akira Kurosawa. Plus a mix of the hero’s journey. He still created his own universe with unique aliens, and robots. His space vehicles were unique.
The force was his own interpretation. So AI would just create similar looking aliens, and just copy the force making it unoriginal. AI has no soul when it comes to creating.
It conveys nothing about the human experience. It is just a lifeless program. It is incapable of having experiences that mean anything personal. That is why it should have nothing to do with the creative arts.
CGunners on
Using generative AI to replace human authors is the end of fiction.
It can only ever recycle what’s already there. AI is never going to break new ground. Nothing that’s ever going to set your soul on fire, just gap filler.
No senses, no thoughts, feelings or desires. It just doesn’t have the necessary equipment to speak that way to humans. Consumers will get bored and weirded out and find something else.
I wish nothing but the worst for these companies. They’ll attract a lot of investment capital, destroy a lot of potential artists and have nothing to show for it other than a pile of worthless dross at the end. Marvel Cinematic Universe ad infinitum.
Tom_Bombadilesq on
Australian writing…well that explains why ChatGPT writing is so poor
Australians are not exactly known for their writing
Drinking perhaps, writing not so much
LuxJuris on
And they think they came up with their writing in a vacuum? Everything humans know and can do they learn from humans that came before them. How is this any different? People need to start understanding that we are living in 2023 and the future is now. You will not stop AI, it is a necessary part of human development. Also there is nothing special about humans. We are just bio chemical robots and our “I” is not so different from the “AI” that will be there in a couple of years. Just accept reality.
fng185 on
People need to stop anthromorphising these algorithms and drawing parallels to how humans are inspired by other works of art. The way these models are trained is to literally regurgitate their training data on a word-by-word basis (token by token but it’s a 1-to-1 mapping). If you just trained on a single book, it would likely be able to reproduce the book more or less verbatim.
It’s fundamentally different from human learning and much more akin to straightforward plagiarism and honestly this needs to be discussed and tested robustly in court.
hamlet9000 on
**Napster**: Am I a joke to you?!
farseer4 on
The courts will decide whether using someone’s books to train an AI model is a copyright infringement or not. I personally think it should not be. AI is just a tool that, as part of its “training”, analyses texts and alters its complex internal state in response to them. What should determine whether there’s copyright infringement is whether the text being generated by these tools violates copyright or not.
BensNightmare on
These models cannot reproduce copyrighted texts word-for-word, so whatever they output will fall under fair use. The legal arguments against AI are toothless. Please focus your energy on the ethical arguments instead.
LonnieAvanti on
Crikey!
wc10888 on
I swear ChatGPT was dumbed down (or Alternatively) the training is giving poorer results (garbage in, garbage out). 8 month ago I was getting pretty good quality output. Now it repeats things, responds in generalities to specific questions, etc.
KvotheLightningTree on
But we can’t share passwords for streaming services.
redconvict on
If theres anything I have learned about training AI is that if something is publicly available or something you can easily download trough a third party, then its been used to train an AI.
MrSnowden on
You do know that training an AI model is not copying the book right? The content is not in the model. Just the statistical impression. Any copyright claim will 100% fail against AI training. It would be the equivalent of saying that an author, who has read many books and then Writes their based on all the work they had ever read, was somehow copying all those books.
Tobacco_Bhaji on
I am so excited for the end of the publishing industry.
It’s hard to find a bigger collecting of scum.
Generative AI will bring an entirely new, enormous and varied landscape of fiction. It’s going to be wonderful.
andariel_axe on
It’s just rich authors and publishing companies protecting their asset. This wont destroy fiction any more than automatons destroyed the orchestra
esqualatch12 on
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
redditVoteFraudUnit on
Courts will have a say. This is as much copyright theft as me being a writer is. I read a bunch of books, I watched a bunch of TV. Now I write them with what I learned. It’s how stories work – they are a product of everything that has come before.
All these authors need to spend some time writing and less time complaining that a robot read their work.
starvald_demelain on
I just say welcome to the club. What isn’t used to train AI nowadays?
Obviously I won’t buy AI products like this if I can help it.
Sensitive_ManChild on
wait until they find out all the books available to download, for free, all over the place
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No wonder ChatGPT is constantly spewing, “we’re not here to fuck spiders, mate”.
Thousands huh? bold of them to claim it being the biggest act of copyright theft…in history even !
Wait till they find out about how the image generators like midjourney got their data sets. Billions upon billions of works were stolen.
I’m not sure how this is different from reading a bunch of books and writing based on their influence.
Even if you went on to explicitly try to copy the style of an author, that doesn’t sound like copywrite infringement
Richard Flanagan was cited as someone whose work has been pirated by this. So I’m going to use the opportunity to recommend The Narrow Road to the Deep North. An all-time favorite
I am tired of people defending AI doing this by saying people reading a books to take inspiration from is the same thing. It is not. For example George Lucas and Star Wars.
He took inspiration from Spaghetti Westerns. Flash Gordon, Akira Kurosawa. Plus a mix of the hero’s journey. He still created his own universe with unique aliens, and robots. His space vehicles were unique.
The force was his own interpretation. So AI would just create similar looking aliens, and just copy the force making it unoriginal. AI has no soul when it comes to creating.
It conveys nothing about the human experience. It is just a lifeless program. It is incapable of having experiences that mean anything personal. That is why it should have nothing to do with the creative arts.
Using generative AI to replace human authors is the end of fiction.
It can only ever recycle what’s already there. AI is never going to break new ground. Nothing that’s ever going to set your soul on fire, just gap filler.
No senses, no thoughts, feelings or desires. It just doesn’t have the necessary equipment to speak that way to humans. Consumers will get bored and weirded out and find something else.
I wish nothing but the worst for these companies. They’ll attract a lot of investment capital, destroy a lot of potential artists and have nothing to show for it other than a pile of worthless dross at the end. Marvel Cinematic Universe ad infinitum.
Australian writing…well that explains why ChatGPT writing is so poor
Australians are not exactly known for their writing
Drinking perhaps, writing not so much
And they think they came up with their writing in a vacuum? Everything humans know and can do they learn from humans that came before them. How is this any different? People need to start understanding that we are living in 2023 and the future is now. You will not stop AI, it is a necessary part of human development. Also there is nothing special about humans. We are just bio chemical robots and our “I” is not so different from the “AI” that will be there in a couple of years. Just accept reality.
People need to stop anthromorphising these algorithms and drawing parallels to how humans are inspired by other works of art. The way these models are trained is to literally regurgitate their training data on a word-by-word basis (token by token but it’s a 1-to-1 mapping). If you just trained on a single book, it would likely be able to reproduce the book more or less verbatim.
It’s fundamentally different from human learning and much more akin to straightforward plagiarism and honestly this needs to be discussed and tested robustly in court.
**Napster**: Am I a joke to you?!
The courts will decide whether using someone’s books to train an AI model is a copyright infringement or not. I personally think it should not be. AI is just a tool that, as part of its “training”, analyses texts and alters its complex internal state in response to them. What should determine whether there’s copyright infringement is whether the text being generated by these tools violates copyright or not.
These models cannot reproduce copyrighted texts word-for-word, so whatever they output will fall under fair use. The legal arguments against AI are toothless. Please focus your energy on the ethical arguments instead.
Crikey!
I swear ChatGPT was dumbed down (or Alternatively) the training is giving poorer results (garbage in, garbage out). 8 month ago I was getting pretty good quality output. Now it repeats things, responds in generalities to specific questions, etc.
But we can’t share passwords for streaming services.
If theres anything I have learned about training AI is that if something is publicly available or something you can easily download trough a third party, then its been used to train an AI.
You do know that training an AI model is not copying the book right? The content is not in the model. Just the statistical impression. Any copyright claim will 100% fail against AI training. It would be the equivalent of saying that an author, who has read many books and then Writes their based on all the work they had ever read, was somehow copying all those books.
I am so excited for the end of the publishing industry.
It’s hard to find a bigger collecting of scum.
Generative AI will bring an entirely new, enormous and varied landscape of fiction. It’s going to be wonderful.
It’s just rich authors and publishing companies protecting their asset. This wont destroy fiction any more than automatons destroyed the orchestra
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
Courts will have a say. This is as much copyright theft as me being a writer is. I read a bunch of books, I watched a bunch of TV. Now I write them with what I learned. It’s how stories work – they are a product of everything that has come before.
All these authors need to spend some time writing and less time complaining that a robot read their work.
I just say welcome to the club. What isn’t used to train AI nowadays?
Obviously I won’t buy AI products like this if I can help it.
wait until they find out all the books available to download, for free, all over the place