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    I recently finished reading ‘A little life’ by Hanya Yanagihara and have been thinking about it since. It is one of the few books that have moved me to tears. So, I was surprised to find out about the large amount of hatred it receives on this sub and in general. Now, I understand that a book is not going to work for everyone. But I am confused about certain points of criticism.
    1) One seems to be that the abuse Jude goes through is described in excessive detail. This is the most baffling to me. Not to undermine what he goes through. It is awful. But I don’t remember the writing going overboard with the details. In fact, it was one of the things I loved about the writing. It never had to be unnecessarily detailed to give a sense of how bad it was.
    2) Is it torture porn? I can see where this criticism is coming from. Many seem to feel that the story goes over the top with the bad stuff that happens in Jude’s life. But as bad as it gets for him, there are also a few positives, like the loving people that surround Jude. But I am confused myself. At what point does it become ‘torture porn’ and stops being a really well-written, but incredibly sad story?

    I don’t think any comment would change my opinion of the book but I am interested in seeing other people’s views on it. Sorry if this has already been posted a lot.

    by prisonmike2003

    35 Comments

    1. No-Understanding4968 on

      I thought the book was infused with love. That’s what was so extraordinary. I felt we had to experience the ugliness to fully appreciate the beauty

    2. Allredditorsarewomen on

      I enjoyed a little life while reading it but really soured on it once I had any distance and intellectualized it all. I didn’t have a problem with how abuse and the after effects were depicted. I actually thought most of it until the last 200 pages wasn’t out of the realm of possibility. Maybe on its own the novel wouldn’t be an issue, but once it’s triangulated with Yanagihara’s other work, I find it troubling. I don’t like that she writes gay men just to be a vouyer in their suffering.

      There are articles written better than I could on the subject. [This one](https://www.vulture.com/article/hanya-yanagihara-review.html) I found especially convincing.

      I also am increasingly critical of how much media about queer men that takes off, makes money, and enters the mainstream is not by queer men.

    3. passing-stranger on

      It reads like angsty fanfiction to me. I like her writing style a lot, but the plot is garbage imo. And after reading a couple of interviews she gave, I realized I never need to give her books another chance.

      (This was not one of my major problems with the book but I just remembered- as someone who has dealt with self harm, I thought the way she portrayed it was kind of ridiculous)

    4. The criticism I’ve seen of the abuse in A Little Life has less to do with how graphic it is, and more to do with the amount in general. At a certain point, I felt that the abuse stopped informing Jude’s character, but the author continued to torture him for no apparent reason.

      That said, I think discourse around abuse obliterates discussion about any other aspects of the novel, so I want to mention a few additional things.

      – The book takes place over 40 years, and all of those years are 2014. I get that the author didn’t want to write a historical novel, but it’s disconcerting and almost lazy.
      – The Caleb plot was ridiculous. I think there was a really powerful story *somewhere* about Jude getting into an abusive relationship, but Caleb was cartoonishly evil far too soon and not even remotely convincing. Jude cut JB out of his life for mocking his disability in a less cruel away than Caleb, and that was a much longer running relationship.
      – I don’t buy Jude as a ruthless corporate lawyer. He never seemed very passionate about the law, or driven enough by money to make up for it. We’re also never shown him succeeding in court, just told through the series of houses he buys and the nice things people say to Willem about him. In his personal life, Jude is far too passive and insecure to be believable as a mean lawyer. I know successful people who white knuckle it through life juggling serious mental health problems, but not quite like that.
      – Everyone seems unrealistically successful. I mentioned in another comment that A Little Life reminds me of a Sims game, where logic only runs on the whims of the creator. Eventually, your sims get rich and famous because they showed up at the rich and famous factory every day. The characters’ paths to success are the same way. I know JB only exists to be an asshole and Malcolm only exists to supply Jude with tasteful ADA-compliant home renovations, but it’s also strange that Willem continues to bag leading-man roles after the age of 50.
      – Speaking of JB and Malcolm, their sections at the beginning feel like they belong to a different book than the Jude show it turns into later. It’s odd that the 4 men get equal focus at the beginning, and then those two fuck off for most of the novel. Also, the way Hanya Yanagihara writes her black characters makes me somewhat uncomfortable. I’ve never seen anyone else talk about this, but I’d love to hear other perspectives on how she addresses race because I’m not sure how to articulate my thoughts on it.

      Hanya Yanagihara also did some interviews about the book that rubbed me in a really bad way. In one, she spoke about how ALL is an exploration of what trauma takes away from people. Her words gave the impression that the book is an intellectual exercise on the effects of abuse rather than an empathetic one.
      A Little Life’s thesis is that some people are so broken that suicide is their best option. That’s a deeply unkind thing to write about, and I think people would cut Yanagihara a lot more slack for all the trauma in the book if its thesis was literally anything else.

      That said, people read fiction for emotional catharsis, and that’s found in spades throughout the book. This subreddit hates A Little Life, but it was still a bestselling novel, and enough people are reading it now that they’re still talking about it.

      Personally, there’s a few aspects of the book I deeply connected with. I’ve been in a relationship like Jude and Willem’s, and I’ve never seen anything like it in fiction before. The passage where Willem talks about codependency and deep friendship feels like it came straight out of my brain, and I love it too much to say I truly hate the novel. Perhaps my opinions on the book will change over time, but I’d say the bad in this book outweighs the good by quite a lot, and I wouldn’t recommend it to any of my friends.

    5. ElderDeep_Friend on

      I agree that the author doesn’t go overboard in description of abuse. I assume the problem most people had was that Jude’s torture was relentless. He had a consistently miserable life beginning to end. The only tiny oasis of happiness he had was tainted by his inability to enjoy it and was the source of his greatest misery when it was taken away.

      All of that being said, I do not dislike the dislike the book to the degree of most of its outspoken critics in this sub. My only significant problem with it was going through all of that misery without the author making a concrete point or asking salient question. But even though the story wasn’t strong, Yanagihara does deserve some credit. She has very strong prose and I wouldn’t be surprised to see her create something great eventually.

    6. Fine_Cryptographer20 on

      I agree with you. I work in mental health and have seen even more horrific and shocking things. It didn’t strike me as “torture porn” either. It felt real and raw. I recommend it to several work colleagues so we could discuss the book, and they all loved it too.

    7. I adored it. I don’t think it was very realistic, but I also don’t think it needed to be. Having everything dialed up to 11 meant that I felt everything deeply, including the “slice-of-life” moments which were so beautifully written!

      Edit: I know many take issue with Hanya Yanagihara’s portrayal of gay men throughout her books. I actually don’t see Jude as gay. He doesn’t see himself as gay and it’s surreal to me that so many feel comfortable ascribing a label that the character himself denied. Whether through nature or nurture or both, Jude appears to be, for all intents and purposes, asexual… But the person he felt safest and most intimate with happened to be a man – but his gender was secondary (if it factored at all)

    8. So I haven’t finished reading this book. I started reading it in 2016 and didn’t get far, then picked it up again in 2018 and didnt get far again. Again in 2021 and same story. Do I give it another go? It gets rave reviews everywhere but I just can’t seem to get into it. I have LOVED other books in a similar vein (Shuggie Bain and Pachinko)

    9. Jude’s trauma soon became unbelievable to me. Almost every single person he encounters in his life makes his life hell: it’s not just that he attracts people that take advantage of him, but almost every one of those people does the unspeakable to him, performs horrific acts. It feels cartoon-ish, so much so that I didn’t shed a single tear. I was mostly annoyed.

      Also, the way Jude is supposedly an incredible lawyer, but also an amazing pianist, great at maths, bakes wonderfully… Like?! How is he able to excel at all of those things? Again, cartoon-ish.

      The writing was good, and the plot was gripping enough for me to read it all, but damn it just reads like a teenager’s fanfiction about an extraordinary man (who’s only friends with rich people with lavish lifestyles) being abused by everyone in unimaginable ways, hurting himself constantly and being unable to seek and to want proper help, in order to suffer even more. What’s the satisfaction in reading that?

    10. tbh i had really high hopes for the book because everyone was praising it but after reading the first part only i started getting bored because there was too much unnecessary details so i left reading the book halfway

    11. The misery porn slant is because the trauma gets very gratuitous and becomes the point of the book. Everything is over the top all the time for shock value, without nuance. It’s like a sledgehammer without ever exposing the psyche underneath, the generational trauma cycles that often preclude it; how people who don’t do the work just keep passing it along to the next person like a dogshit potato.

      For me, there are books written by people who haven’t experienced severe abuse, for an audience of people who also have not experienced it. This book is obviously one of those. The audience seems to enjoy reading about this? It moves them?
      Also every type of book like this presents the victim as wildly successful, often in an over the top way. Incredibly inaccurate and harmful to the people who actually have experienced this

      As someone who has experienced said abuse for a long time and has done the work, I couldn’t stop rolling my eyes. I find it gross how much people revel in this stuff when presented as entertainment.

    12. Prior_Cheek5844 on

      I liked the book, I didn’t like what it did to me. I was depressed and reflecting on all that trauma. It’s scary to me that others could feel the same.

    13. I do find it kind of unrealistic but for me that’s the point? “A little life” its supposed to show how one man’s life can capture the highest highs and lowest lows. When the book is sad its very sad yes but also when its happy its very happy like I felt my heart lifting with joy as well as being crushed by sadness. I don’t think it’s just “torture porn” I personally find that a lazy critique. For me it dud what it set out to do which was make me feel a lot

    14. Ectophylla_alba on

      I also had an intense experience with this book, I basically pulled an all-nighter reading it and then sobbed myself to sleep at dawn. But that was less because of the merits of the book than because I know several people who are suicidally depressed and have gone through really terrible shit akin to what is in the book. It opened up that pain for me of long nights trying to help someone through wanting to kill themselves and made me feel hopeless. So it was cathartic in a way but in the sober light of day I think the book has a few flaws.

      I don’t think the author really knows anyone who is dealing with the sort of trauma that Jude is because it is extremely difficult to even cope with high school or undergrad with those kinds of issues. Not saying it’s impossible or anything but the book totally glosses over how Jude is able to go to law school and learn to play piano and all the poetry he’s memorized after the childhood he had. The people I know coming from similar circumstances struggle to hold down a job because they have to start at minimum wage (like most of us do) and take a lot of time off to deal with physical or mental health issues as they come up. Jude starts out as an attorney somehow and gets all the grace in the world with no explanation.

      Similarly there is a lot that is just sort of shrugged off. How do his friends all manage to launch themselves into such impressive careers? Why do they seem to exist totally out of time, with Thanksgivings passing but technology and society never changing?

      So, the book is very engrossing in its writing, but I don’t think it’s very good overall.

    15. I don’t think it’s torture porn per se. Just because it’s unbelievably horrific doesn’t mean it can’t actually happen in real life. There are people in the world who have bad things happen to them over and over again – and you wouldn’t understand as to why and how. As for Jude it does make sense for him to repeatedly attract people who take advantage of him. People who have suffered trauma oftentimes find themselves in relationships similar to their trauma as it’s the one thing that feels familiar (e.g. growing up with a narcissistic mother and finding „love“ in a narcissistic Partner later in life).

      however one thing I genuinely couldn’t bear was Jude’s deep persuasion of how worthless he is. It is so difficult to follow somebody’s life story and have them go against any kind of affection, any compliment and every ounce of positivity toward his person. It’s beyond exhausting and made me stop reading.
      It’s one thing to deal with people like that in real life but a whole other thing to read about it. Where’s the value in that? It’s just beyond depletive and didn’t bring me any joy.

    16. SnatchingTrophies on

      Yanigahara comes across as a fetishist for the suffering of gay men, and posits herself as some kind of metanarrative saviour. It’s creepy and the way people flock to it and hold it on this pedestal of literary achievement strikes me in the same way that people idolise pop stars (they’re usually birds of a feather, or both at the same time). I find it misguided and vapid.

      ​

      I wouldn’t take away from anyone’s reading of it, though. If it made you cry, it made you cry. If you love it, you love it. I don’t think she’s hurting anyone, I just find the author and the readership that adores her a little too much… a bit tacky.

    17. It’s a melodrama. Melodrama can be awesome on its own terms-just ask Pedro Almodovar.

      I think a lot of the criticism comes from miscalibrated expectations based on its huge accolades, which signal a sort of realism/literary merit that we don’t usually associated with melodrama. I mean I wouldn’t take it to the desert island over Moby-Dick or even a Colson Whitehead book. But it very much succeeds on its own terms.

    18. There’s some great criticism in these comments and I agree with a lot of it, but I also agree with your first point. Overall though, it’s a very sad book and very well written at times. Lazy and unbelievable, but well written.

    19. *Spoilers below*

      I have finished reading this book about two months ago and I have thought about it every day since. I can confidently say that it’s the best book I’ve ever read (which I never have been able to say about any other book I’ve read before). I could rant for hours about everything that makes this book a masterpiece, but here’s my two cents about the criticism I’ve read about it:

      I honestly understand why people think the misery is too much – when I reached the Dr. Traylor chapter I thought “dear god, will this boy ever get a break?” But although this amount of misery (luckily!) doesn’t happen to people often, that doesn’t mean it never happens. As someone who works in psychiatry, I have heard the most terrible stories from my patients, some even worse than Jude’s, and I have witnessed how, in a way, misery can attract misery, because people fall back on earlier acquired coping and survival strategies, which often aren’t the healthiest. Diminishing those experiences by calling them misery porn or too unrealistic is a bit naive – I’m really glad people can’t imagine this kind of misery happening to a person and that imagining it makes them uncomfortable (it should!), but I think we should be aware of our own privileges and realize that these things do in fact happen to people.

      And I think for all the misery there are also a lot of beautiful things happening to Jude. >!The adoption, becoming a successful litigator, having a close group of supportive friends, being successful at a lot of his hobbies, falling in love and starting a relationship with his best friend, building their dream house together.!< I think by writing about both an extreme amount of bad things and an extreme amount of good things happening to someone, the author illustrates that those things do not cancel each other out but they coexist. This is a really interesting thing to think about and it reminded me of people who are terminally ill and want euthanasia (euthanasia is legal in my country): most of those people have spouses and children and friends and families who they love and they don’t want to leave them behind, but the pain is just too much. The happiness in their lives, however big it may be, doesn’t make their suffering less, it just makes them want to tolerate it longer until it becomes intolerable. Which is what makes Dear Comrade such a painful chapter: >!Jude’s suffering is at an all time high with no sight of it getting better (even after being admitted to the hospital and starting therapy it doesn’t get better, and you can see him tolerating it for so long, not for himself but for his parents and his friends, until it gets too much.!<

      I often see people criticizing Andy for enabling Jude’s behavior. Would I as a health care provider have treated Jude differently than Andy? I don’t know. I know the author has some views about therapy that I don’t agree with. For instance, the book never really touches on trauma therapy which I think Jude really could have benefited from. But even though things like EMDR are very effective, they don’t always cure people entirely, especially people with a very complex trauma like Jude. At one point Andy tells Jude >!he’s often considered involuntarily admitting him to the hospital, but he chooses not to so he doesn’t disturb the equilibrium in his life!<, which I found really interesting. People often think the goal of treating someone who self-harms is getting rid of the destructive behavior altogether, but sometimes it just isn’t. Sometimes (a lot of times, actually) it’s about getting people to function in a society despite their destructive behavior – and despite everything, Jude has a job and a relationship and friends and hobbies. Obviously as a provider or as someone who is close to someone who SH’s it can be really hard and frustrating to witness this because you want the best for them, you want them to stop hurting themselves, but that just isn’t realistic for everyone, even with all the therapy in the world. One of my patients used to SH three times a day, but now they do it twice a week, and because of this they are able to volunteer at an animal shelter, and they have befriended a coworker… you see? It’s not always about stopping altogether, it’s more about functioning in society. And this way, Andy ensured that Jude would keep trusting him and that he would see him when he needed a doctor if necessary. Who knows what would have happened if Jude had stopped trusting Andy. He probably would not have visited another doctor voluntarily and we have all read about all the times Andy’s treatments saved Jude’s life.

      This got a bit out of hand but I hope my rambling was somewhat insightful!

      edit: grammar and spoilers

    20. My major major problem is that the reason Yanagihara wrote the book is because she believes that some people are too “broken or damaged” for therapy. Reading the book through that lens makes me disgusted.

    21. I agree with a lot of the things others have said. Besides that, something that really bothers me, as a mathematician, is how poorly the subject is treated in the book. For example, a lot of emphasis is placed on the whole “proving an axiom” thing, which is meaningless – axioms are literally statements which do not need proof, since they are the foundation on which every proof is based. The meaning of some axioms is also completely misunderstood: the axiom of equality has more to do with the definition of the symbol “=“ than with something or somebody staying always the same. Writing a novel whose main character is a mathematician, among all the other things, would require some more research or assistance by actual mathematicians.

    22. I despised A Little Life. I didn’t think it was well-written except maybe for food porn fans or believably plotted.

      Yanagihara’s most recent novel *To Paradise* got a scathing [review](https://harpers.org/archive/2022/01/ad-nauseam-hanya-yanagihara-to-paradise-the-pandemic-novel/) in Harper’s, with the critic aiming some entertaining critical bon mots at *A Little Life*:

      – “*A Little Life is a blazing success. You may have loved it, or you may have hated it, but if you’re anything like me, you spent the entire second half begging the main character to please, for the love of God, kill himself already. Then again, I’m not the target audience for A Little Life. I downloaded the audiobook under duress, after I’d been asked to write this review. (Pro tip: at 2.6x speed, the novel can be completed in under thirteen hours, and the more gratuitous self-harm scenes take on a pleasantly businesslike quality.)*”

      – “*Famously, the editor Gerry Howard called A Little Life a ‘miserabilist epic’ and suggested that Yanagihara cut out some of the suffering heaped upon her protagonist—advice she did not take. Howard has since retired, but following the novel’s critical and commercial success, Doubleday evidently learned its lesson: To Paradise appears not to have been edited.*”

    23. Most of the criticism in this thread alone is baffling and I blame coping with trauma to some extend. There are people out there in the world right now living much tougher and painful life and most of you would still say “eeew its unbelievable it throws me out of the book”.

      Success can go head to head with pain and suffering without anyone noticing.

      There is a place and a need for such a book and Im happy I could read it. If you expected Dostoievsky level of writing I cannot help.

      Still best book I will never read again.

    24. The book was one that I was really, really in to while reading it, but it left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth afterwords. Now, unlike the rest of the sub, i still think it’s a good book, but when you take a step back and look at the big picture, it has a bad vibe all around it. Idk. Again, don’t hate it, or even dislike it, but it’s very unrealistic and occasionally cringey in the amount that the author wants to make her main character suffer.

    25. It was boring to me and just kept going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. I love 1k+ paged books. Not this though.

    26. OfficeSlight3264 on

      In real life,Jude probably died at his 30th birthday or even younger .
      I fail to sense any love or friendship when they kept avoiding doing the right thing !! ! I’d rather risk losing the so called friendship than losing the person,and what kind of father doesn’t call the police when your son was severely abused???
      Ps.sprinkle of female names to indicate the rare spices in that world,how realistic

    27. As bad as it sounds, the book gets easier to read when you realise you don’t have to like any of the characters. This doesn’t mean you wouldn’t have empathy, but the way it is depicted the entire ~~plot~~ premise of the book surrounds the idea of “oh, poor Jude. How can we help Jude? Precious 50 year old Jude, talk to me!”

      If I was rating the book based on the excerpts of law and mathematics, I would immediately think it was a 5 star. Those parts were absolutely beautiful and philosophical.

      But it honestly just felt I was reading the same thing over and over. No plot, no character development, just vibes and “Jude’s lived such a hard life.”

      Hanya Yanagihara must be an extrovert. Why did this book have to be 700+ pages long?

      I wouldn’t regard this as torture porn, nor a masterpiece as some argue.

      I’d regard it as a mumbly jumbly excerpt of life-long trauma. There would have been better ways to communicate struggle.

    28. Suitable_Squash2698 on

      I rarely see what I disliked most about this book mentioned. Never have I seen the old rule every writer learns to “show, don’t tell” more abused than in this book. I felt kind of exhausted reading this book, not because of its length (though I think about 200-300 pages could have been cut) but because the author “tells” us just about everything rather than dramatizing it in scenes. I so wanted to enter the lives in this book, but the excessive telling made that impossible. Even the big event at the end is told to us by Harold after the fac rather than dramatized in a scene. And too much bad happens to Jude without anything good happening. Even Dickens gave his orphans a smattering of happiness. And why spend so much time on JB and Malcolm in the beginning only to mostly abandon them later in the book for Willem and Jude? I get it that Jude is the book’s centerpiece, and I have no problem with that, but I needed more JB and Malcolm, too.

      My other criticisms echo those below. This could have been a powerful story that HY, herself, spoiled.

    29. Suitable_Squash2698 on

      At one point, I’m not sure where, my sympathy for Jude evaporated and I became a little angry with him. All these wonderful people were jumping to fulfill his every whim, and he doesn’t really try to overcome his past, which I do admit, was horrific.

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