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    I mean, I know “why”, because this is what’s selling. I guess I’m venting and curious to hear your thoughts.
    Maybe also shitposting a bit 🙂 I made this to explain what I mean: https://i.imgur.com/HCG5Gcy.png

    I’m not just being an asshole here, right? Maybe a little?

    Books on this site, (maybe in general?) now seem to be written by women, for women, and romance novels seem to have bled into this category. And I’m ok with romances, I’m a big fan of “just let people enjoy their shit and don’t dump on it”. I’m not dumping on it. And I’m not against reading female authors. For years, I’ve enjoyed Elizabeth Hand, Mo Hayder, Carol O’Connell, and Patricia Cornwell (well, until she got kinda depressing).

    It just wish these lists had stuff that felt more like traditional mystery and thriller novels, and less stuff that feels like romance, or YA Twilight derivatives. I guess I’m just searching wrong.

    I used to find books I liked reliably on Amazon. Maybe I’m stuck in the past, when it comes to how I find books to read. Or maybe I’m being unfair and these are genuinely good mystery novels with a little extra sex thrown in. 90% of these, the covers and descriptions don’t speak to me.

    I find myself reading the works of authors who are now like 60-70, and probably on their 30th books, which means their formula is a little stale, but it’s the type of book I’m looking for, and I genuinely struggle to find good modern writers doing the kind of books I grew up with, that used to appear in this category. I don’t like the idea that my tastes have calcified.

    What do y’all think?

    by CreeDorofl

    23 Comments

    1. AdvertisingPhysical2 on

      I prefer the reading lists that my library emails or the reading lists that different libraries post on Libby. I feel like there is a better mix of old and new books and there are a lot more categories.

      EDIT: amazon’s goal is selling books and the library’s goal is helping people find books they actually want to read.

    2. I’m not entirely sure what the problem is? The Amazon best seller list has its best sellers but you don’t like them? Or am I missing something?

    3. No_Tomorrow7180 on

      I was going to blame TikTok but then I looked at that list and very little on it is what I was expecting to see. 

      A lot of people have moved away from buying stuff on Amazon, especially books, with a lot of emphasis being put on supporting physical book stores. So maybe there’s just a certain type of person who still buys their books from Amazon, and they read these kinds of books. 

    4. I don’t really understand, if you’re wanting mystery novels why don’t you look in the mystery category instead of general best sellers? Or is that what this is, in which case some of these I think are misclassified by Amazon, like Haunting Adeline

      Edit: most of those are also on Kindle Unlimited which would of course boost how many people are reading them and inflate their popularity

    5. Is this a case of you wanting to feel validated that your preferred genre should be on the best seller list? I don’t quite understand here. Tastes change all the time, if you want thriller and mystery novels search that tab. I don’t typically choose my next read based off of best sellers in the first place but I don’t understand the issue.

    6. thisisgettingdaft on

      You are searching for bestsellers, so bestsellers come up, whatever those books maybe. Search for something else.

    7. I went with a couple Best Sellers when they popped up on my Kindle. They were … fine … (Koontz and McFadden) I guess? 2.5 stars tops; not DNF, but just kind of phoned in.

      My goodreads “note to self: best-selling doesn’t mean best-written”.

      I find that this sub is a great place to get inspiration, as is finding something you like on GR and then going down the rabbit hole of “Readers also enjoyed”.

    8. Because those are the books that sell best. And not just on Amazon. Romance novels have consistently been the best-selling books for decades now. NYT and other outlets hide them by segmenting out categories and defining ‘best-seller’ in a weird way. Look at lists by genre if that’s what you want to see.

    9. FactsAreSerious on

      I don’t see the issue. Trends happen, people actually like certain authors, people want to see what books are about. Bestsellers happen for several reasons. The authors you read however long ago can change over time. Obviously different ones have their own style. It’s on you to find new books and research the writing styles to find similar ones, or whatever else you’re looking for. It’s not Amazon’s fault. People are responsible for what they buy and review.

    10. confused bc those aren’t all romance books? McFadden and Koontz are both mystery/psychological thrillers…. Luanne Rice usually is as well. None of them are my favorite authors but they’re all wildly popular and not romance? This post is giving major “i’M nOt lIke oTheR GirLs” vibes

    11. The bestseller list is just whatever the popular trend happens to be at the moment. Publishers love to capitalize on trends in order to pump up sales, which makes it a vicious cycle. To the point that even if a book is significantly different from the trend, it will be marketed in a trend-friendly way to attract more sales. Browse by your preferred genre if you want more variety.

    12. The free Prime monthly read offerings are like this also. Virtually zero tied to my interests. Just romance novels and fiction written for women.

    13. Think about it like food.

      There’s a lot of McDonalds, Applebees and Olive Gardens in the US. They make billions in revenue. Does that mean it’s good food? No. But they are “bestsellers”

      These are the best sellers in books. Are they Nobel and Pulizter prize winners? No. But they have mass appeal, they are easy – no barrier to entry, easy to pick up and put down, no “wading through 300 pages of introspective poetic prose for a payout.” The stories they tell are familiar, which can be very satisfying if all you want to do is feed a crowd

    14. of_circumstance on

      This is why bookstores and libraries are still relevant. Go to one, talk to the staff about the kind of book you’re looking for, and they’ll point you in the right direction. Don’t expect an aggregate bestseller list to cater to your personal tastes.

    15. Be aware that at least in the United States, the biggest bookbuyers are middle-aged women who have enough wealth, education, boredom, etc. to make time for reading. On average, women work less, have more patience for reading, are better educated, and do more shopping than their male counterparts. They also have a lot of emotional and childcare responsibilities that may lead them to seek forms of entertainment that are more escapist than they are Literary Masterpieces full of symbols and metaphors that can be Analyzed in a college classroom. They buy more books, and Amazon is explicitly trying to appeal to them with accessible chic lit titles in order to make money.

      On the other side of the coin, most writers are women. Creative writing and English literature majors are dominated by women, so the industry is dominated by female creators. That doesn’t mean they’ll all be bestsellers, but if there’s more women in the industry, then they’ll have an easier time drawing other women into reading and buying books, which influences what books become bestsellers.

      Books targeted to be wish fulfillment (or otherwise appealing) to the bored and repressed housewife and similar demographics are going to sell on Amazon, assuming the concepts are executed well. Romance sells in that demographic, as do other stories categorized as chic lit. Remember also that readers with access to enough funds to buy books directly on Amazon (or with access to good libraries) tend to be a specific type of person with a specific type of bank account. It’s not hard to envision suburbanite women purchasing these chic lit books to read for their next family vacation or their next local book club.

      People (like me) who like to reread old books don’t have as much power over the market. They might prefer books that are more cerebral and literary, or books that are a part of a long doorstopper franchise or series. Even if they read a lot, they buy less, so their preferred books aren’t going to be at the top of the bestseller lists.

      I don’t want to be demeaning to what older women like to read. My own demographic isn’t even so far off from theirs, and some chic lit books are among my favorites, but I can see how people who don’t click with it might be a little confused about how they keep ending up on bestseller lists. It’s not because these books are necessarily Good, though some of them are. It’s not even that they’re universally more popular than books in other genres, though again, a lot of them are. It’s because of the purchasing power of older white wealthy women.

      If you go to an independent bookstore in a larger city, or even to a Barnes & Noble in a diverse location, you might see that the books promoted are very different from what Amazon thinks of as a bestseller. My local library puts forth a whole lot of nonfiction on display tables, possibly because I live in a part of a city full of students and young professionals.

      If you’re not finding Amazon to be reliable, you’ll have to start sorting differently, as other commenters have suggested.

    16. PainfulKnitter on

      I think part of it is that a lot of those are Kindle Unlimited. They show up as bestsellers because so many people are downloading them, but it’s because they’re free with KU, not because they’re actually selling. I’m not sure if I’m wording that well. A lot of KU books tend to be self-published and from what I’ve seen, a lot of self-published are romance.

      Something similar happens on Audible. When they have a sale, those sale books jump to the top of the bestsellers list, but it’s only because they’re on sale. It makes browsing bestsellers difficult.

    17. Amazon really isn’t a great place to check for bestsellers..they lean heavily toward self published and their own Amazon imprints. If you want bestsellers from major publishers check on their websites, check Kobo and Barnes and Noble best sellers and of course New York Times. This is what I have started doing.

    18. Bulky_Accountant6490 on

      I just wish they’d stop labeling erotica as literature and categorizing their inventory as such. Call it what it is! Erotica sells better, sure, but it really doesn’t jive with the Oxford definition of literature as “written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit.”

    19. Dude, try being primarily a SciFi reader. That shits *never* on the bestseller lists. We lucky if we get 1 or 2 in readers choice type awards even. Even awards that, ostensibly, “belong” to us are regularly half+ fantasy if fantasy is aloud 😂😭. That the list would be dominated by romance when romance is like 50% of the market should not be a surprise. (It has been a minute since I seen the stats so not the exact number. One way or the other, the romance genre eats every other genre for breakfast)

    20. LifeHappenzEvryMomnt on

      You don’t seem to understand that the majority of book sales are to women. Amazon started as a bookseller only and it was built with the money of female book buyers.

    21. I’m watching at the minute this German film from 1931 on YouTube called M, which is a mystery/suspense film and it is fucking amazing. It’s in German with subs, but if you like murder mystery without a romance focus, it might be something you enjoy!

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